Action Alert » Government aims to strip wolves in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana of their legal protections

Wolf packDeadline for action is May 9, 2007

On February 8, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) published a proposal to remove the northern Rockies wolf population from the Endangered Species list. Upon removal of Endangered Species Act (ESA) protections, the state agencies will be tasked with ensuring the long-term viability of this species.

Sinapu does not support the proposal to remove federal protections for the northern Rockies wolf population. While we support the goal of returning management to state agencies (once wolves again are roaming a significant swath of their former range), the current proposal will turn wolf management responsibilities over to some states that are committed to wolf eradication.

Although Montana produced a sound wolf management plan, the states of Wyoming and Idaho continue to support plans that threaten the long-term survival of the species in the Northern Rocky Mountains. Moreover, the plan ignores that fact that the Endangered Species Act requires the species to be recovered across “all or a significant portion” of its former range in order to be classified as “recovered.” Thus, Sinapu is fighting the adoption of this proposed rule change.

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What can you do? Submit written comments by May 9, 2007

The Fish and Wildlife Service is currently accepting comments on their plan until May 9, 2007. Please use the points listed below (pick four or five) to craft your letter regarding the proposal to remove federal protections for wolves in the northern Rockies. Feel free to choose a few points to cut-and-paste from this list, but please try to modify the text to fit your style.

Comments can be sent:

  1. Electronically to WesternGrayWolf@fws.gov. Include ”RIN number 1018–AU53” in the subject line of the message.
  2. By mail to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Western Gray Wolf Recovery Coordinator, 585 Shepard Way, Helena, Montana 59601. Include ”RIN number 1018–AU53” in the subject line of the letter.

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Points to make

  • Wolves were listed as endangered throughout the lower 48 states, and so recovery and delisting should be accomplished at that scale, not in a piecemeal fashion.
  • The plan is illegal because wolves presently occupy less than five percent of their once vast range in the lower 48 states (and less than 15 percent of their historic range in the region covered by the plan).
  • The law states that the species must be recovered to “all or a significant portion of its range.” Until wolves are thriving in at least a significant portion of the areas with enough wild prey to support them, they should remain protected.
  • The policy being used to justify delisting wolves (called the “Vertebrate Population Policy”) is meant to facilitate recovery of the species, not to facilitate the government’s desire to “get out of the wolf business.”
  • Robust wolf populations in Idaho and Wyoming are essential to return wolves to Colorado, Oregon, Washington and Utah, which are all part of the gray wolf’s historic range.
  • The plan’s definition of “range” is absurd. The government argues that the area presently occupied by wolves is the “range” of the species, rather than defining “range” plainly as the area where the species once roamed. If this twisted logic is upheld, all of the other parts of the species’ historic range are “magically” eliminated from consideration.
  • The plan arbitrarily shrinks the range of wolves by arguing that areas where livestock densities or road densities are higher are no longer “suitable”. That means that the greatest threats to wolves are now an excuse to say much of the landscape cannot support wolves—clearly not the intent of the Endangered Species Act.
  • The plan’s definition of “significant” as it relates to the phrase “significant portion of range” is contorted to the point of confusion, and violates several established interpretations by federal courts. At the very least, “significant” in this context should mean that the species should be restored to something greater than 50% of the habitat within historic range that presently hosts sufficient wild prey populations.
  • Wyoming’s state plan and state laws about wolves are aimed at wolf eradication, not stewardship. The state intends to kill more than half of its wolves (16 of 23 packs) immediately upon delisting and to maintain extremely low wolf numbers thereafter through any means including poisoning, pulling pups from their dens and aerial hunting.
  • The USFWS should not allow Wyoming to kill wolves to artificially inflate the numbers of elk, deer and other wild ungulates. Animals like elk have evolved with wolves for thousands of years and are not going to disappear. In fact, the Wyoming elk population now far exceeds the population goals set by the state.
  • As it stands now, Wyoming’s wolf management plan would allow wolves to be shot on sight in nearly 90 percent of the state, using extreme measures such as gunning down entire packs of wolves from airplanes. Wyoming is even demanding 16 of its 23 packs be killed prior to the delisting.
  • The Idaho state plan would allow for the eradication of all but 11 packs in the state; a 75 percent drop from the current population. At a recent rally, Idaho Governor Otter declared that once wolves are delisted, the state would kill all but 100 wolves. He has proposed leaving just 10 packs, which is even less than the state plan mandates and the bare minimum required to keep wolves from being federally re-listed on the endangered species list.
  • If all the states had a wolf management plan like Montana’s, citizens could be better assured that healthy wolf population numbers and distribution would be maintained in the region for future generations. Instead, Idaho and Wyoming have chosen to focus on wolf eradication.

Remember, the deadline for comments to be submitted is May 9th. For more info, call Rob Edward at 303.447.8655.

26 Responses to “Action Alert » Government aims to strip wolves in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana of their legal protections”

  1. It does not shrink anything, the wolves will go where they want to go. Ranchers will be able to harass wolves in their cattle before they have them in their mouth. According to the law at present, they must be in the act of killing, until them it is just good fun.
    I was raised to honor my word, obviously those who aren’t satisfied with 1300 wolves instead of 300 agreed upon, were not.
    One of the commenter’s in Cody yesterday had wolves running thru the calves, they called FWS, who told them they just didn’t have time to come try to chase them away. The husband had to stay home and try to keep them out of the cattle, the family cannot go anywhere together because of the wolves. One at least has to stay home and try to keep them from killing cows.
    One rancher counted 15 wolf killed moose along the Gooseberry this winter, elk numbers have dropped dramatically, where ranchers once had a couple of thousand or more, it has fallen by over half.
    It is really hard for an old hen like me to believe that an American can be harassed in their own home for the entertainment of other people…..and have to pay for it to boot.

  2. EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!! Wyomings Wildlife and livestock are being SLAUGHTERED By wolves!!!! You people said 300 wolves in the 3 states we now have over 1300!!!!!I was told the actual count was probably closer to 2300. Our pets are being taken off our porches and killed!!! Our children will be next!!! You liars will never quit fighting for the predators!!

  3. You are right, Renae. One of the main arguements that is used for ever more wolves and bears is lack of food and a place to live. That makes no sense at all to me. Why would anyone insist on more predators than can be kept well fed and healthy?

  4. Wow, renae… all I can say is wow. How is wolf depredations on cattle a “slaughter” when it is not even close to being the main cause of livestock mortality. Why dont you cry and whine about the slaughter brought to livestock from disease, weather, poaching etc. Answer me this one question. What makes the reintroduced wolves different from the ones still in canada and alaska that HAVE NOT begun attacking humans. You must be really happy about all of the bees dying off since they actually kill people every year unlike wolves.
    Do you worry about the children of the west getting health problems as adults from breathing in polluted air from energy development their entire lives? You and the rest of the anti wolf sheep are buying right into the wolf fear like the corrupt politicians in your state want you to. You thump your chests about wolves and focus on wolves while they hand your public lands over to energy companies. I am sure that having animals like wolves and the griz on the endangered species list is one of the only things keeping drilling out of some of the most beautiful areas.
    It is my understanding that 300 is a MINIMUM number of wolves in the original plan. Not a maximum (how could it be a maximum in such a large area) like you and all of your crazy uneducated friends like to make it out to be…

  5. Marion!! Good to have you back! I really missed you… I was starting to worry. Did you get those moose numbers to back up your unsubstantiated claims about the yellowstone moose population? You had a couple weeks to find them.

  6. We livestock producers have borne the cost of the urban fantasy of “wild wolves” for too long now. Strange that you never see wolf reintroduction being done near elementary schools in Aspen or Boulder so the little kiddies can see the noble wolf.

    I was reading the diary of a deceased relative not long ago. He put a lot of effort into cleaning the country out of predators to make it safer for everyone. It’s just crazy that nutty people like Sinapu want to repopulate the country with dangerous, organized predators like the wolf.

  7. JC, what makes them dangerous to people? Can you document more than a handful of wolf/coyote attacks in US history? How many children have been eaten in the yellowstone area since the reintroduction? Predator controls themselves create more dangers to people than the predators themselves (traps, poison, shooting). The rest of the country is ready for wolf reintroduction. It should have already happened in the northeast had the federal government not been dragging its feet for the past 6+ years.

  8. Steve, if you had bothered to read the posts I made, I very clearly said there were no published numbers of moose to be found before the wolves were introduced, nor afterward. That makes it very hard to provide documentation. I can tell you that I have seen the moose kiosk in Willow Flats for at least 20 years, telling folks where and how to view the moose. They have removed it because there are no moose left there.
    Frankly I give a darn less about whether you want to believe the wolves are eating them or not. Wyoming is doing it’s own study of the 50% decrease in moose in the Tetons. Berger did a study that showed the moose were dropping dead of starvation in an area full of all 5 major predators!
    While the number of livestock killed is minor compared to the overall national loss, but it is devastating to the individual that is hit time after time.
    Katrina losses were insignificant to the overall country if we had kept our money in our pockets and left them to sink or swim. It was devastating to the area and to individuals.
    Actually the young man killed in Canada was killed by a Canadian wolf. That of course is insignificant …..except to his loved ones.
    Drilling for oil has nothing to do with wolves and grizzlies, it has everything to do with folks who burn fuel for recreation, or anything else. Cut your fuel use and it will decrease the need to drill. You, me, and every other person who uses fuel for cars, or private planes are the problem, not the oil wells. If you come out here, I can show you wildlife all around the producing oil wells. The wells have a very small foot print once the drilling is done, at least on the newer wells, there are some of the old pumpers in this area, but even they do not worry wildlife, the area is rich with it.
    But since we are discussing thing, can you please explain the logic of wanting to raise more wolves and more grizzlies because they might face a food and habitat shortage? If there is a food shortage what are they supposed to eat? If there is a shortage of habitat, where are they supposed to live? Does the same rationale apply to humans, should those poor starving should in India and Bangladesh be encourage to have more and more babies because there is a food shortage for them?

  9. It is not about whether or not I believe that something is happening. It is whether or not I see EVIDENCE that something is happening. The problem with 90% of what you say is that it is your opinion that things are happening based on tenuous evidence at best. What does 5 predators have to do with moose finding food? Do predators eat plants now? There is evidence that moose are dying as a result of global warming. Ticks and parasites do not die on them in the warm winters and they suck so much nutrition away from the moose that they cannot survive. One could argue that your moose dropping dead is from this. Why does wyoming need to do a study if you already know that there is a 50% drop? I know someone who lives in Silver Gate who sees moose all the time in their backyard. Does this tell me anything about the overall yellowstone moose population? NO! It tells me that moose use that area a lot. This is why your willow flats anecdote tells me nothing about overall moose populations. It tells me that moose do not use that area anymore and most likely they have changed their behavior due to the presense of wolves. This is just like visiting yellowstone in the spring and seeing no elk in the lamar valley and visiting in the winter and seeing them everywhere.
    How could you compare someone losing a few head of cattle to hurricane katrina? I think that hundreds of people losing their lives is a little more serious to those families. Someone loses their ranch their life can go on…
    The habitat losses also effect elk. Maybe moreso than wolves. Should we stop caring about all wildlife because of food limits? Are you saying that there are no negative environmental impacts from drilling?! (By the way, alternative energies exist but the powers that be have too much to gain financially from continuing to use fossil fuels… but that is a debate for another day.)
    The trend is that wild animals are very low on the list of dangers that people should worry about. Have people been killed by wolves? Yes. But with thousands of wolves and other wild animals living amongst millions of people, you would think that at least hundreds would be killed a year if wild animals were truly dangerous. That is simply not the case. What about people who die every year in auto collisions with elk and deer? Do you care about them? Maybe wolves are making the roads safer by decreasing ungulate populations. And of course you have to imply that I do not value the human life of that man in canada… I find that especially funny after you compared financial concerns of ranchers and this comparitively insignifigant wolf issue to thousands of people drowning, suffering and starving.

  10. The comparison was made to show that loss is an individual thing. While the loss of a few thousand dollars to a family may be insignificant in the national livestock economy, it is significant to those suffering the loss. It is easy to be complacent about the cost as long as you personally don’t have to pay anything. You may feel it is worth the cost as long as someone else is paying it, but those who are bearing the cost disagree.
    Do you really mean to tell me that you find it logical and easy to believe that with 5 species of hungry predators, they are not targeting the “starving moose”, and just let them fall over dead without preying on them? Wyoming is doing the study to determine just what is happening to the moose.
    I don’t consider it caring about wildlife or any animal for that matter to want more than there is food to support, and keep them healthy. Such management not only destroys the protected species, but it also destroys their habitat even further. It will not make white pines grow, it will not make more trout, it will not make more elk.
    We live in a country full of humans, and taking away their privately owned habitat to give to an animal others may consider more important than humans is not an option….in my opinion.
    I am aware that there are still some moose around the NE entrance, I’ve never seen them, but I know others have. I seldom go out there since there are so few elk anymore, and seeing dogs is not my reason for going to Yellowstone. I have to admit to me a dog is a dog is a dog. For what they have cost and are costing, they should be gold plated.

  11. “Do you really mean to tell me that you find it logical and easy to believe that with 5 species of hungry predators, they are not targeting the “starving moose”, and just let them fall over dead without preying on them?”
    Of course not. Indeed, you just described compensatory kills. A slow death over weeks or months starving, or a relatively fast death to a pack of wolves. The moose is just as dead.
    One thing I know is that moose are cool and cold weather country animals, and global warming or not, I was out hiking in Yellowstone the other day in a tank top! The end of April and the grass is all green like the end of June and I’m hiking in a tank top! I will not argue that wolves have had an effect on moose and especially elk populations. They were expected to. But I think that moose have much larger problems than wolves. I have already posted how population studies show that moose had already virtually disappeared from the northern range BEFORE wolves were reintroduced.
    One of the problems that we as humans have, is that we tend to look at a very small time sampling and based on that are ready to declare victory or disaster. Just as we poll 100 people and declare who is going to be the next president of the United States, we look at 10, 20, 50 or 100 years and attempt to declare that we know long term trends in an ecosystem tens of thousands of years old! You say that there are more wolves in Yellowstone now than were removed 100 years ago. We only introduced 31 wolves. They were fruitful and multiplied because the prey base was able to support them. Indeed the prey base was much higher than it was 100 years ago. It got that way because of the lack of a keystone predator. As the prey population drops to a certain point, the predator population drops. That is how Nature has worked for eons.
    The real “wild card” with regard to wildlife populations is Man. When Man began cutting down the forest to build his cities, fashioned weapons to hunt and kill with, began spewing global warming gases from millions of exhaust systems and smoke stacks; he removed himself from the natural world. Wolves are a part of the natural process, and have been for untold centuries. Man no longer is. I laugh when folks say that Man is at the top of the food chain. Strip him of his clothing and weapons and drop him in the wilderness and see where he fits returned to the natural process.
    If people can’t see beyond their own greed and their own lifespans; if they can’t curb their building in sensitive areas, find cleaner ways to power their machines, and accept that they are supposed to be stewards of the land not autocrats; then I’m afraid that the moose, elk, deer, pronghorn and bear truly
    are doomed, whether there are wolves in the mix or not.

    (BTW, drive the northern Yellowstone road about 7AM. I’ve been seeing so many elk I can’t count them.)

  12. The east gate is supposed to open Friday and my grandson and I will be going in, but it doesn’t sound like I will be wearing a tank top. There is a cold front moving in.
    I am looking forward to seeing lots of elk. Are you talking about hundreds or tens in each herd?
    By the way they actually brought in 41 wolves becaue they brought 10 yearling cattle killers from Northern Montana. Needless to say they were not interested in elk. I’d have to go back and try to find the first report, but I believe they had one or two litters of pups that first year.
    Did you see any swans by the way? They said predators got them all except 2 pairs during the winter of 2005-06, and did not expect them to ever come back, but there seemed to be quite a lot migrating thru last fall. I’m hoping a few of them or some from the Seedskadee where they are thriving actually decided to stay. I really miss them, and was heartbroken at their disappearance.

  13. Oh, by the way all of the wildlife was thriving very well in our state until they started trucking in wolves and raising them. Please remember the wolves were brought in to control our ungulates supposedly…..or could the truth be they were brought in to control the people and make us march to the tune you designate? Or to try to prevent them from using their private land in ways you don’t approve of?
    What about your home, doesn’t it prevent wildlife living there? Are you willing to leave and turn it back to nature?
    The killing of 136 wolves over a 42 year period is not only in Alston Chase’s book, but also a book on wolves by Doug Smith and I believe Gary Ferguson. That was natural, not what we have now.

  14. Marion,

    Why don’t you post comments on Ralph Maughans wildlife new site. He needs more variety as his site is very one sided.

    Just beware that ultimately he will moderate all your comments, delete the negative threads with respect to wolf restoration, and only keep those that favor the wolf. In my opinion, his site is not really a blog because a blog is just that…..a site that accepts open ended discussion whether in favor or against.

  15. Lots of herds near 100 each. Someone told me….didn’t see, that there are two swans on the Madison near where the old pair nested. There was also a pair working on the nest on Floating Island Lake, but the cranes seem to have evicted them. I have also found a nest on the Yellowstone River.
    As for my home: since I’ve lived here I have planted over two hundred native trees and shrubs, and put in a duck pond. I debated long and hard moving here. Someone said that in doing so I have become part of the problem, but I looked at it this way: this house already existed. If I didn’t buy it, it would not cease to exist. Someone might buy it who was less wildlife friendly than I. But someone else WOULD buy it. I certainly would NOT have built a new home, or developed “new” land. I am also not in what is considered to be “critical” habitat. Hopefully, but welcoming each and every critter that wishes to accept my hospitality, I am giving a little bit back in exchange for the privilege of living here.
    The wolves were coming anyway. They had already made their way a third of the way down Montana. By now, or soon, they would have made it to Yellowstone with the FULL 100% protection of the ESA. Not an experimental, nonessential status. It would have literally taken an act of Congress to “control” one, and they would have been on the ESL for many, many more years than they will now (regardless of how much longer that is).
    I stand corrected, 41 wolves. I don’t know if that 10 bred or not. As I recall they were killed relatively quickly. In any case, they multiplied because the habitat and prey base were ideal. Personally, I would like to see the government take all of the money that they spend “controlling” “problem” wolves and use it to help ranchers buffer the cost of PREVENTING further depredations. How much money is spent on man-hours, helicopters, fixed wing etc.? Remember the story: give a man a fish, feed him for a day etc. Kill a wolf, save a ranchers cows for a day……teach a rancher (and help him with the cost, if need be) how to prevent predation (with non lethal means) and save his cows for a life-time!
    I’ll be trolling the east gate road Friday as well!

  16. He banned me at the very beginning. We had argued a number of issues on the Yellowstone net site. I proved him wrong on a few statements, and he doesn’t tolerate that. Thankfully I never had to take a class from him. His site is to preach the environmental religion, especially the revered wolves. It is his site and he can run it anyway he wants, I accept that.

  17. Frank, there is absolutely no way to prevent wolf predation, especially when there are so many and a decreasing prey base in their range. Livestock grazes over large areas, there is no way to prevent wolves from grazing thru a herd! It would be easier to manage them if there were not so many, but it will be years and many thousands of wolves before any real control is instituted.
    The only place I could find a cost for control was the Nez Perce, who state about $10,000 per control by chopper. Nonetheless that was the agreement when they brought them in. That is part of the reason Wyoming is not willing to accept half a loaf in management, if we have to take over the cost, we want the control options. It would be really dumb for Wyoming to have the expense and enviros calling the shots.
    I too have a very wildlife friendly home, but the fact is every new home is built for someone to live in. Sure there are the Gores and Kerrys that have multiple homes, but most folks have only one, and I just am not into denying that to them, even if wildlife did live there once upon a time.
    Do you live on this side too, or looking for the North Fork grizzlies?
    Frank, they were in Yellowstone, but those wolves were ignored because to admit they were there would have stopped the planting. There was the one killed just outside of the park when it was mistaken for a coyote. And there was at least one photo/video taken of a wolf on a kill prior to the introduction. Those are jsut the confirmed ones, there were hundreds of reports that were discounted because too many people wanted an introduced population.

  18. Marion, millions are thrown away by western states every year to kill thousands of predators. I highly doubt that states killing a few dozen wolves per year will be a huge burden for them to pay for (even though they get money from the federal government each year to put towards predator control.) They literally get hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to kill a wide range of predators. Many far more abundant than wolves. (http://www.coyoterescue.org/article_wildlifeservices.html)
    How does it cost 10,000 plus to kill a wolf with a helicopter when it costs between 185 and $805 (http://www.goagro.org/) to kill a coyote by aerial gunning? Do they use special helicopters? Ralph is very fair on his website and there are many people on there who severely disagree with him. Maybe you got banned because you frustratingly keep passing your opinion as fact and you keep spewing the same unverified “truths” over and over and over and over and over…

  19. What “unverified truths”? I told you upfront that they are not following any wildlife in the Park except the Northern herd of elk, and some studies were done on the Norris herd. I suppose it is entirely possible they waited nearly 20 years to take down the kiosk in Willow Flats, hoping wolves woudl chase moose in there. But I have seen and photographed moose there.
    I have no idea what kind of helicopters the Nez Perce use, but I would imagine the same as every other wildlife agency. Ed Bangs said they have spent 24 million so far on wolf management. If it is so cheap to manage them, why don’t the feds continue to pay the bill….or wolf advocacy groups? To do otherwise is insisting on having control without responsibility.

  20. But the feds already give the states millions for pedator controls…

  21. Did a little math for you, Marion. Since you keep crying “poor me” over the western states having to pay for wolf control I will plug in your 24 million dollar wolf control cost. Divided by 10 years of wolves that is 2.4 million per year. Divide that by 3 effected states and you have 800,000 per year. Take Wyoming for example. 500,000 residents splitting up 800,000 dollars. That is $1.60 per year or 13 cents per month (I can spin numbers too) for every man woman and child in wyoming. You can’t afford that? And that is assuming there is no federal money to help with predator control (which there is). I would say that even a tiny increase in tourism in each of those three states more than makes up for a 2.4 million dollar per year cost to manage wolves. But that is just my opinion… BTW, if it would make you happy, I would gladly send you $1.60 per year if you need it that badly.

  22. Since the wolf introduction was a federal project, why not just leave it a federal expense, and save the bookkeeping? If I want something, I’m willing to pay for it, I don’t try to imply others are cheap if they don’t buy it for me. Difference in philosphy I guess.

  23. If we “leave it a federal expense” then we must, necessarily, leave wolves as a ward of the Endnagered Species Act–in-perpetuity. If that is the case, then I believe we should ensure that these “american” wolves be treated with the same dignity as our national symbol, and that all lethal control be brought to a halt and all illegal killing be prosecuted under Federal law.

    Sound fair?

  24. And that will also make the public responsible for all of the damage they do. You do realize that the Rocky Mountain wolves are not endangered don’t you? They are classified as Non-Essential, Experimental, 10 (j). That was written into the ESA in 1982 to allow them to bring them into an area not in their range. They were put in the range of another subspecies that originally lived in Yellowsotne in very low numbers. They also wrote that 10(j) to exclude them from culpability for problems the introduction caused, including wiping out any remnant population of the original wolf population.

  25. Frank, I read that white-tailed deer carry a brain parasite that does not effect them but does kill moose. It is devestating them in some areas as deer become overpopulated. Yet another argument for natural ungulate control…

    Marion, the amount of time you spent saying “why should 500,000 people have to pay for wolves” I thought the actual wolf control costs would be much much higher than the value you gave… The feds already pay for a large percentage of wildlife control in states throughout the west (see my link in my post above). It seems that you get your wish that the feds will be paying for a chunk of wolf control as well (assuming wolves will be controlled using the same funding mechanism currently used for coyotes, bear, etc.)

  26. Marion,

    I was banned recently from Ralph’s site also. This is not the first time. He does not take controversy if it is against his beloved wolves. I also proved him wrong on several things and I received a personal email from him stating that I was having a negative impact on his site to those who are wolf advocates. He proposes free speech on his website but in reality he only accepts those who advocates his ideas. Others are banned. Frankly, I accept that and I am glad. The Sinapu site appears to be more ‘True” to what a blog site is suppose to be.

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